The Universe (does it exist outside consciousness???)

"The integrated-information cohesion of collective consciousness both creates and interprets the universe from a human perspective. Collective consciousness is all there is and is eternal. Once collective consciousness ceases to exist, eternity is no more"

George Taylor

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  1. wirelessguru1

    No, no, no! Each one of us is a uni-verse in a multi-verse of possibilities. Consciousness is individual NOT collective!!!

    +1 (Neo)

    November 09, 2012
    1. georgetsmurf

      Consciousness is an expression of our and other living creatures genetic makeup. Natural selection favours the safety in numbers of the carriers (7 + billion) of that gene pool. It makes sense then that it is our collective consciousness that interprets the universe we live in. We all may have our own ideas but these iseas are constantly influenced by those around us. We all have a consciousness but when we as individuals die the perception of the universe does not. It is modified by great thinkers like Ptolemy, Galileo, Copernicus, Newton etc etc but it is still basically the same universe for all of us albeit with a variation on a theme. When a consciousness of an individual ceases to exist, consciousness lives on in the rest of us and so to does eternity. However when all life ceases to exist so consciousness is no more nor eternity that is a human concept.

      November 13, 2012
      1. wirelessguru1

        No, no, no, consciousness is a time/space reference! Wake up!!

        ..and what particular universe are you referring to anyway!?

        Either case, you seem rather confused with what is really going on!!!

        +1 (Neo)

        November 13, 2012
        1. georgetsmurf

          I don’t understand about me being confused. You obviously know everything, so why do you even bother to communicate with an idiot like me.
          Please explain “what is really going on”

          November 14, 2012
          1. wirelessguru1

            The cosmos is a binary (digital) matrix. Yang = 1, Yin = 0.

            Mind is a program (software) and DNA is firmware (both code)…and space is a wavelength or a “carrier” of the code (data), so consciousness is just a specific time/space reference where time is the inverse of frequency because reality on any particular form is just code (data) in execution.

            So what else do you want to know???

            +1 (Neo)

            November 14, 2012
            1. georgetsmurf

              I thought that the binary (digital) matrix including the concept of Yang and Yin were inventions of consciousness. Guess I must be wrong again.

              November 16, 2012
            2. wirelessguru1

              ..and what invented consciousness then!?

              November 16, 2012
  2. moderndayplato

    Hmmmm good question without human perspective how could anything be perceived? Even the world around us is only based upon how we perceive it. So the idea of a universe existing outside of human consciousness is interesting. Does one exist well, according to science yes one does. Is the universe based upon collective consciousness? Well unless we all think in the same manner then no. Complete individual consciousness seems to make more sense on determining how everyone’s “universe” is perceived. The next question is does that mean we can make our universe out to whatever we want it to be? And how long can we remain in that state of “satisfactory consciousness”

    -moderndayplato

    November 12, 2012
    1. wirelessguru1

      Hello, hello, there are many other species who perceive not just humans!

      ..and of course we can make our individual universes whatever we want them to be (given certain restrictions of course since reality on any form is still code in execution) because each one of us is a uni-verse in a multi-verse of possibilities…

      +1 (Neo)

      November 13, 2012
      1. georgetsmurf

        “..and what invented consciousness” Consciousness is an expression of the genes, not an invention. The beginnings of consciousness may even be the innate behaviour of a bacterium responding to chemical traces to ensure it’s survival, to either find food or avoid dangerous substances. And of course humans do not have a monopoly on consciousness. For us to have evolved consciousness means it’s beginnings are in our ancestors.

        November 20, 2012
        1. wirelessguru1

          No, consciousness is a time/space reference for the mind program.

          A bacterium response is an action/reaction NOT consciousness!

          ..and I never suggested that humans have a monopoly on consciousness since I consider most humans just as glorified monkeys anyway! LOL!!!

          Either case, many do think that the origin of modern day consciousness came with the breakdown of the bicameral mind program…so george you still have a lot to learn…

          +1 (Neo)

          November 20, 2012
          1. georgetsmurf

            Consciousness is in my opinion a natural-selection favoured expression of the genes.
            The bacterium response is as you say a action/reaction innate survival strategy-also favoured by natural selection. Therefore could quite easily be part of the beginnings for consciousness.
            And yes I still do have a lot to learn, as do we all. But at the moment there is nobody to my knowledge that can supply a theory backed by objective research and hence offered as empirically falsifiable-and able to be tested as to what consciousness is and how it came to be.
            I can only assume that you are better educated than I in evolutionary biology, psychology and philosophy. My credentials in these areas are at university level however not exceptional. Put it this way I do not have a Phd but am educated post graduate level.

            November 20, 2012
            1. wirelessguru1

              Look, genes (DNA) is firmware, not consciousness!

              Either case, one becomes “conscious” when one wakes up! So, and in other words, the man-machine relationship is both cyclical and symbiotic…

              ..and YES, I am a mastermind and therefore better educated and have more knowledge in all of these things.

              November 20, 2012
  3. georgetsmurf

    Genes may be as you say firmware but their expression is not necessarily. Remember the same set of identical genes expresses itself in thousands of ways and in the mind this also varies from second to second as neural connections vary so the recent studies on brain plasticity seems to imply. One does appear to become conscious when one wakes but that does not mean that consciousness is asleep while you are. You may have to elaborate on your description of yourself as I do not know what a “mastermind” is. And to say you are better educated than me or anyone else for that matter makes little if no sense. You don’t know how educated I am and if you did it is not conceivably possible to compare no matter yours or my academic credentials.

    November 21, 2012